Ok i dont get it...how can Simon [a VAMPIRE] be in the sun, it makes no sense.

any Theories on that?

I think that little detail will be explained in CoG. I'm thinking that Simon drank blood from Jace and that is the reason why he can be out in sunlight.

yeah thats sounds like the only thing.

i guess ill have to wait and see

my theory is that when Simon drank Jace's blood, it wasn't "forced" blood, so therefore, blocking the curses of not being able to walk on holy land, or say god, or to not be able to go out into sunlight.

I got this theory from Harry Potter when Harry doesn't die from the Avada Kedavra curse, because he was willing to die kind of thing. So possibly the same with simon??

thoughts?

My only thing is you'd think that a vampire sometime in history would have drank the blood of a shadow hunter before. Libby, you have a good point in that it wasn't forced and that's how it worked.

That whole part reminded me of Cassandra Clare's fanfiction trilogy, the Draco Trilogy--have any of you read it?

Anyway, in the first one, Draco Dormiens, Draco slices his hand and Harry's hand and then squeezes them together so that Harry has his blood, so Harry can get past all the defences in Malfoy Manor (because he's got Malfoy blood). The whole Simon drinking Jace's blood thing reminded me of that, just one of the many parallels the MI series has with her fanfiction trilogy.

So I think Jace's blood has some sort of protection in it, somehow? But you raise a good point in saying that vampires must've drunk Shadowhunter blood before.

Haven't read the Draco trilogy yet... but it just seems too unlikely that a vampire never drank vampire blood. Can't remember who made the point in the other thread, but Jace did give his blood willingly which could be the key. Would giving it willingly be different than taking it? Seems like either way would cause the same reaction in a vampire.

I guess I pressed the wrong button. I meant to make this a reply, not a new topic.

Anyway, first things first: You should totally read the Draco Trilogy, they're amazing.

Second: What do you mean about vampires drinking vampire blood? I thought we were talking about Simon drinking Jace's blood (which was by far my favorite scene in the book).

I moved your draco topic as I think this is the one you wanted to respond to.

Well, Simon was a vampire when he drank Jace's blood. Jace gave him his blood in order to save Simon. It was after this event that Simon was able to hang out in daylight. Hopefully we'll get the answer to this in CoG. I think this is one of the biggest questions that needs/will get answered in the final book.

if this question isnt answered i may never pick up a book again...

unless theres a really cool series out about magic vampires warriors and other things...

i would think that because he gave it willingly, because vampires can drink all the shadowhunter blood they want if one just pops in unknowingly that there are vampires everywhere.

If you understand what im trying to say

I agree that I think it was Jace's blood that made Simon able to be in the sunlight and anything else he might now be able to do. (Walk in the Institute, maybe?) And the fact that he gave it willingly is probably the key, yeah. But does this all start before Jace even gave Simon his blood? There's a part (sorry, don't have the book next to me right now) on the ship where Simon's hand is lying in a patch of sun, I think it was, and it only blistered, but when he was talking to Clary once he said that he accidently almost put his hand out the window and almost charred his hands off. Or is this just because the light on the ship was maybe just the last embers of the sun, since it was nigh-time, and that's why his fingers only blistered and didn't actually completely get charred off?

Oh crud. I just posted a new topic with this in CoA topics. uh oh. Here ill just delete that and move everything i said here.

I was extremely surprised when Simon didn't turn to ashes. I mean how many times does CC has to scare us?
First Simon gets turned into a vampire and dies only well...he's dead but he's alive also.
And thennn Valentine gets to Simon and drains him. We once again think Simon is gone forever.
Finally the sun comes up and im getting ready to cry because i think this is it. He's really going to die for good. When bam! He's fine.

Now i actually have a theory about why he didn't die. There's a reason Simon drank of all peoples blood he drank Jaces. And did you notice the part about Simons hair after the sun came up? Oh what does it say exactly...ugh. Ill get my book.

Quote:

"The sun danced on the water behind him and the edges of his hair glinted like gold."

Who might i ask has gold hair? Jace...
Do you think that perhaps when Simon drank some of Jace's blood he maybe idk picked up some of Jaces characteristics? Like...being able to go out into the daylight. His hair looking like gold. If even for a second.
Another reason i sorta think this is because of what Valentine said (although it could simply mean you helped a downworlder who knows well besides CC of course.

Quote:

"You have no idea what you've done, Jonathan," said Valentine in a terrible voice. "No idea."

Haha. It seems my thoughts on Simon and the sun weren't as original as i thought. Which i suppose is a good thing because i think that means its more possible.

Drinking Jace's blood did probably do it. Not only because hes a shadow hunter but maybe because of the possible experiements that Valentine was doing on Jace. And thats where the possible angel theory comes into play too. Hmmm......

I think it was because he drank the blood of a Shadowhunter. I mean, are Shadowhunters like idealized angels? So, in a way, Simon has "holy" blood in him and I guess that allowed for things such as sunlight(and probably being allowed back into the Institute. Possibly even the ability to age).

I also love the theory of blood not being forced, though.