We started to discuss this in the Twilight movie thread - and I've been talking in other places online about this in other places, and I've been growing fustrated - and so I thought it deserved a section of it's very own

WARNING: I can come off like I'm being mean or even bitchy at times - I swear it's not like that, when I'm writing things just fly out of my finger tips so I'm going to apologize prior to muh rant *nods*

Okay so first things first - on the whole 'it being off from the book' subject - I don't ever expect any book to movie adaption to be perfect, they never have been. I think the closest thing that I've seen is Lord of the Rings, and we all see how long that took to get through, and they just did a whole lot of walking My biggest issue when it comes to HP and this is that they've left out WAY to many of the important things, like I get why some things aren't necessary to the actual story and should be cut out. And I get and know that if they didn't the movies would all be like 7 hours long, and well no one would want to sit through all of that, not even me.

But the issue is - and this is even something they realize that they did wrong - they've left out FAR to much for the ending to make sense to a person who hasn't read the books, thus why they are making the last movie into 2, so they can fix all of their mistakes and back track on everything. And it's also so they can make more damn money, as if they haven't banked off this movie series enough. And that's my other issue - HP is the NUMBER ONE grossing movie series EVER - so WTF do they need to make even MORE money off of it for? And for them to use that as an excuse to push the movie back in my opinion is just B.S. - like when I heard about it and their reasoning the only thing I could think was 'are they f*cking serious? they've made billions off these movies so far, and they still have 2 more after this one.'

And we all know that the last two movies are going to probably make billions themselves - they already have a HUGE fanbase and them messing with the entire fan base is just stupid in my opinion. And in my opinion it is there own fault that the trailer didn't get the views they were hoping for -which I think is a big part of why they pushed it back- because they didn't do the pre-hype for it. That was there bad - the fans shouldn't have to suffer for it and wait another SIX PLUS months just because they WANT TO MAKE MORE F*CKING MONEY

Any-who back to topic - I don't expect the Twilight adaption to be perfect, I'm going to go in there and see it for what it is. But I know that not every fan will go in there in the same mindset as I will. And I know that Twilight is going to be something probably very different from the books - and I'm prepared to deal with that and I'm really okay with that fact, I've come to expect it when it comes to book to movie adaption. It's a price we must pay to see our favorite characters on the big screen.

And I love both series equally - and I don't really think or see the reason for the comparison, I mean other than they are both big selling 'YA' series. Other than that there really is no comparison - I grew up with Harry Potter - it's been with me for most of my life, so it always has and always will have a special place in my heart. Twilight is also close to my heart, but it's a different part, and I love Twilight for very different reasons than loving Harry Potter. But I don't think it's fair that people keep saying that I have to like one more than the other, can't I just like and love them both? But to me there is no comparison, they are two COMPLETELY different series, and I love them both for VERY different reasons.

I don't know - maybe I'm crazy or insane, but that's just the way I feel. And I get and I understand that a lot of people who used to be fans of Twilight aren't anymore, mostly due to the last book and them not liking the outcome. But all I ask is that you please don't put it down constantly, like I personally thought the end of HP was one of the biggest effing cop outs EVER - but that's my opinion, but I'm not going to hate the entire series because of it. Same thing goes for many other series, like 'The Gemma Doyle Trilogy' I LOATHE the ending of that series, but I still love the first two books like it's nobodies business.

I also understand that there are many people out there who aren't straddling the border like I, myself am, between the series, and there are many fans out there who are just HP fans, and the same goes for Twilight. I just don't see anything being pushed aside, and I'm really over and tired of this silly competition between the two series. I mean lets say they were making a CoB movie and in this world the CoB movie was coming out the SAME day as HP or Twilight, or even in this world lets say that they all came out the same day - I personally as a fan would be ecstatic and make sure I had enough money set aside to see ALL of them opening weekend, not just one or the other.

I dunno I'm rambling now - but I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I think them pushing HP6 back is a cop-out and their reasonings behind it are screwed up, and just them being greedy pigs. And I think Twilight moving their release date up was a good move on there part, ONLY because they did what they were supposed to and hyped the movie up like crazy and it's getting enough buzz that, the fans, do deserve to get it a little earlier. And I'm also just trying to convey that I think the "competition" between the two series is all created by the fans and no one else, since I wouldn't even know about Twilight if it wasn't for Harry Potter.

OH of course we are allowed to agree to disagree LoL *nods*

And I really don't mind people saying that they don't like Twilight, my biggest aggravation is the people who were ALL about Twilight and then now that BD is out they can't stop talking s*it about it - it's annoying I get that they didn't like the end and it wasn't what they expected, but I have my right to think it wasn't that horrible as well, and people trying to convince me that it sucked is really bothersome as well *nods*

I see where you are coming from about them wanting to make money - because yeah that's what they are in it for, but it's just kind of like 'we've already waited almost a year for this next movie - and now because they are greedy I have to wait even longer, that's really not fair or justified'

And I do think that JK had a say in the scripts and what was going on with the movies just like S.M. did - so she could have easily corrected them and told them what was going to be important to the end of the story. I mean she knew for awhile what was important and what wasn't, since I believe she had the story pretty much plotted out by the time the fourth movie started to be made, so I'm sure she could have done something to change it and didn't. *shrugs* In the end I just am starting to wonder if this wasn't the plan from the beginning *nods*

I either watched or read an interview once about her part in the script. And I remember it being that she helped a lot with the first one, and then she left the writers to it after that. So I don't think she really had a whole lot of say in it.
Hey, maybe she wanted two movies? haha

I'm glad I didn't make you angry lol.
And yeah, ppl that get turned off bc of BD are just a bit wishy washy. I don't think I'm like that haha.

I completely agree with you Kaylee. What WB is doing with HP series is kind of pissing me off as well. I think they've left many things out of the previous books that are going to cause trouble in the hp7 movies. And JK did have input on all of the movies and was able to give feedback. One thing that I don't know how they're going to maneuver around is dobby. We haven't seen him in the movies since hp2 and his death is HUGE in Deathly Hallows. He's going to show up and his death will not nearly mean as much as it should.

And I think that both fandoms can get along. Just like Kaylee, I found out about Twilight through the Harry Potter fandom and wouldn't of even known about it otherwise. There shouldn't be the kind of yelling between the two groups like there is.

And I guess we know why we only received a teaser trailer of HP6 movie with it being so close to november, because they were moving the date of the movie (which i think sucks...i've liked when the hp movies have come out in november and not summer)

You didn't offend anyone, and if you did, well to bad for them. It's just a book series, not your life - and everyone is entitled to feel how they want to *nods*

But my thing on OoTP is that my friend, who is just a movie watcher and not a book reader went to see it with me - and she didn't understand half of what was going on, since a lot of it only made sense if you'd read the books. Like I really liked the feel of it, and they did a good job getting the emotions across and what not - but they left to much out to the point that the people who'd just seen the movies were rather confused.

I guess I just think if they are going to change it up completely then they just need to do it all the way. To a certain extent it feels like they are half assing it and not really sure about what they are doing half the time. I must say that I really like the darker direction that they are going in, like that's a MAJOR part of the reason as to why I can't wait for HBP to come out - I mean the Mini Voldie is EVERYTHING I could have wished for and then some. And my major bitch at the moment is just them being greedy turd faces

See that IS a detail that they pay attention to.

They could've kept going at the pace they were at with the first two. You know, unrealistic conversations and such. they were good, but as the later ones came out, you realized that the first ones were...missing something.

But instead, they went with the books. The books most definitely get darker and heavier as Harry slowly realizes that he'll never be normal and he's pretty much had the world shoved on his shoulders. So the movies get a lot darker. The way they shot it makes for a darker tint to the film and oh yes. young tom riddle... oh man. per.fect. I couldn't have asked for a better casting. (they could've butchered that too haha)
So I agree with you on those points. yay! haha