So I am sorry to bring up Bella because yes she pisses me off too but I think this might be a valid point.

Does anyone else see the smiliarities with the whole 'need' to come along and feel important crap? Like Clary does it and puts Jace in even more danger then normal and Bella does the same to Edward.

Just wondering what everyone thought.

I see where your going w/ this....but i personally adore Bella...i didn't know you guys didn't like her... ....lol...well anyway I mean its not their fault their your classic damsels in distress...& hey no one told Edward and Jace to risk their lives for them...they just did...i know i'm being silly...but I love Clary and Bella so sue me!! *hmph*

Haha thats fair enough, I can definitely see the positive traits in both of them, and yes sometimes they are the classic damsel in distress.
Though it does happen quite often haha...

that is true...but we all know that Clary and Bella are the biggest trouble magnets...Bella more so than Clary. But i think thats what makes Jace want Clary even more, b/c he always likes to pick fights for no reason, and the fact that she keeps putting him in the midst of danger,well that gives him a good reason to fight.

Well, until BD...Bella was really of much use and just got herself into danger. Now Clary, she has at least has some powers that were of some use (fearless rune, blowing up the ship, etc.). I agree Andrew, Clary like Bella, need rescuing a lot which is a similarity that I see between the two.

No. I don't see the similarities at all.

Bella was a weak human trying to live with Vampires. But she knew the danger and she was afraid of it. In New Moon she was terrified of Victoria. When Jacob was running arounf hunting her Bella most deffinitely did not go "Oh Jake! Let me come with!"

In Eclipse, she wanted to be with Edward becuase she was just making sure that if it came down to it, she would die instead of Edward. She knew all along that hse was useless and she could do shit. She only wanted to tag along so she could cut herself and well basically kill herself to keep Edward and them from dying. She felt guilty that they were risking their lives for her.

Clary on the other hand is nothing like that. At All. She isn't feeling guilty. All she is thinking is "Oh. Jace is a shadowhunter. But So Am I. Anything he can do, so can I. Ain't noone going to stop me. I am a shadowhunter too. nah-nah-nah." She isn't going for a suicide. She thinks she can actually take it. Whereas Bella knows the only think she can do really is cut herself so that Victoria will pounce.

I hate to ruin this to all of u or u might think I'm totally over analizing both books whichver or just putting them together. but the truth is they dont relate at all, i mean clary and bella they r two wholly different characters that differs from one another .
I, agree with "alaska".1 bella is human who fell for a vamp aka downworlder known in the city of bones. 2 that feeling is mutual though she know at any moment her life could end easily and is for that edward is always trying to placate her since she's always had a mind of her own. 3 she tries to help though is just n obstcle for edward at the time since she is human aka mundane n just be liable to anything or on the way. 4 she cant get her feelings straight till the end of eclipse. 5 sometimes bella drove me insane! on my last nerve, i wont denied that most girls now do that much drama n for what i do not know. but bella had some good reason i guess to act like that though sometimes it was pointless n depended towards that. 6 she was a great help towards the end of BD but other than that no similarities rely on clary n her.
As for clary, though, she was oblivious of her background, and many other things till she interacted with them and decided to take it upon her n her life to find out why she was kept from all that and face it head on, she was not coward when it came to fight even if she didnt exactly knw what to do somehow she help one or the other at the begining yes she was a problem because she didnt knw much n was insecure, but as the book goes on she becomes more secure and finds out things that could help her and other against all evil but she's strong and accepted this with blissfulness though couldnt believe it at some point later she realized it was substancial for her n others to come to terms of what she ws for her own good and the rest of them
I dont see a similarity bella n clary two different people here one whos human n craves a vamp is just funny in a way, the other her brother ( maybe) but clear of it. so, nope their differnt i like bella for what she is but i like clay best for her rightiousnes and agility.

Good lord, no!

Bella is a damsel in distress (as stated above) who likes to manipulate everything just so that she's happy.

Clary fights for things herself and tries to learn about who she is. Clary was certainly more of a hindrance than a help in the beginning but at least she was trying. All Bella does is trip over things and pass out and obsess over Edward. Clary knows who she loves but that's not her whole life. Much as I can't stop obsessing over Jace, he's not her entire life. She's a shadowhunter who also cares about her mother and her friend and defeating Valentine.

Love blinds people. End of story. And this what it is, a story. Talk about cliche, yes but that is what both books have in common. Bling love which at times makes them infuriating characters, and we sit along in the side lines think, no silly people think ahead, you're too weak puny human! *shaking fit* But at the end of the day they still do it. I don't know how many times I was silently screaming at Bella. Turn back silly girl. But then she's think, "oh no, my love what every will I do?.. I know I will run to him", yeah great plan through all the vampires, well thought out, *gives the thumbs up* In these situations people to not think they act, to us it's stupid. However at the time they are not national creatures, and there is never a convenient person in the side lines to give them a slap, and shout "get a hold of yourself." They just do, because in these time they can not sit down and have crumpets and tea, and have a good old talk on what to do next. Bella does not like to manipulate everything just so she is happy, she does these things because she is a loved up fool, and will do anything for to have Edward, as he her...reguardless of how irrational.

And Clary can be the same. How many of you can honestly say that you would have said. "Yes, I think I will just stay here far away from everyone who I love while they risk their lives". See it from their point of view, but having said that I was still a bit disapointed that Clary was not given some small amount of trainning. Yes there was very little time in between the events of book 1 and book 2. But even then I do not think Jace would have wanted to give her trainning because this would mean admitting that she would be in danger, and he was determined not to let her into these situations. Hopefully in book 3 we will see some more ass kicking from Clary, not just from her runes but from even some amount of blademanship, or some sort of use of pointers from Izzy or Jace... or maybe Sabastian?

Hmmm. Perhaps at one point I would have agreed with you, Sparkles. But after CoG??? Nu-uh. Jace DIDN'T want to have anything to do with her. Remember????? I do. Because I was sobbing at that scene. And the only diference was their situations. I will bet my bottom dollar that if Clary really was a mundane, and she didn't have Simon, and she didn't have her quest to save her mother, and she wasn't in an unknown land, and there was no Sebastian, we would have another Zombie.

And you are being really unfair comparing them like that. because it would be the exact same if I said Processed Cheese on it's own is plain, stupid and gross when you compare it to a grilled cheese sandwhich. Well of course it appears plain, because when you lay it out, all Cheese has is cheese. Where as a grilled cheese sandwhich has cheese, bread, butter..... sometimes ketchup. So you see? Comepletly unfair comparison.

More so, it's also rather unfair to say that Bella relies on the Cullens, therefore she's weak. And Clary doesn't rely on the Lightwoods, therefore she's strong. Because quite frankly, Bella did not wake up one day and go "You know what?? I don't care for crazies. I just want to be a plain old boring human." so obviously, when VAMPIRESSS come after her, she relies on OTHER VAMPIRES to protect her. And Clary didn't wake up one day "You know, screw normal-ness. I'm gonna be the child of two crazy bitchin' strong shadowhunters. Yeahh......" And I definitely remember the scene where the Greater Deamon attacks them in CoB and Clary's screaming and doing NOOOTHINGGGGG. And then SIMON of all people saves the day. It fine for Bella to cower because she can't do anything else, Clary has the ability to fight but she's too afraid. See? Not fair to compare.

In my eyes they're both fine. Although I do favour Clary more simply because where Bella stands with Cullen and has an epic romance, Clary Stands with Jace and has an epic romance AND shared butt-kicking scenes. But that's why I won't compare them -- Twilight doesn't have that extra butt-kicking aspect that CoB has. And besides, they've both angered me equally. Like how Bella went back to Jacob again and again, and Clary pushed Jace away because her precious simon-baby was jealous. URGGGG. They're so infuriating!!! The BOTH of them.

Besides, I've cut Breaking Dawn from my memory. Because I have seen a truly strong Bella and I realized that's the last thing the world needs.

And really, of course Bella seems pathetic compared with Clary. Because Twilight is [in my mind] a romance novel. And CoB is a romance and action novel. Therefore, when Edward leaves Bella, he literlarly took the entire plot with him. There was nothing FOR Bella to do other than become a Zombie. Where as in CoG, yes Jace said he pretty much hated her Clary couldn't just sit around because the action.couldnt.stop.for.one.second. It had to keep going. Like BAM BAM BAM.

No, I don't really care about Twilight anymore. And yes, I'm sick and tired of all the stupid Twilight Fans. In fact, I never want to talk to another OMGTWILIGHTISMYLIFEEEEEEROBERTISSOOOOOOHOTTTTT girl again! [which is unfortunate because most of my friends are like that] however I am SICK and FREAKING TIRED of people HATIN' on it!!!! Like, JESUS. Leave it ALONE.

And YES, I'm sorry for the mini rant. So I will drop this train of thought, and continue it on the Rants thread.

XDDD. LOL. Case in point, comparing them with who's weak and who's not is unfair. Because really, one was meant to be weak where as the other was meant to be strong. And in case anybody has some crazy thought in their head -- no I'm not mad [you've no idea how many times people think this] and I would love to continue this topic. :]

Clary actually tried to take action and make a difference. Bella stands by and lets everyone protect her.

Okay, I have little left to say on this topic. Bye-bye.