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PostSubject: hesitant puzzling   Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:53 pm

I've been re-reading bits of City of Ashes lately, because I found someone that wants to roleplay Jace/Clary and I didn't feel like passing up the opportunity. ;P And I just wondered about various bits in it, and I'm not sure if they've been answered or mentioned here before, I've not checked every single topic and I've only heard one episode of the podcast so far. So apologies in advance if these have been discussed.

Firstly, the Inquisitor. And what she whispers to Jace before she dies. I mean, whatever she wanted to talk about was certainly urgent if she fancied a chinwag in the middle of a life or death battle. I'll type them out, because I suck at explaining things. Page 390 of the American edition, seeing as I still haven't gone out and got the UK one.

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"Unless..."
Now he looked at her in surprise. "Unless what?"


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"What?" Jace said, bewildered. "What does that mean?"
There was no answer. The Inquisitor had slumped back against the deck, her eyes wide open and staring, her mouth curved into what almost looked like a smile.


Obviously, "Jace wondered at the intensity of her gaze" deserves a mention too. I'm no good with theories and stuff, so I'm not even going to attempt to talk about this. I just wanted to hear your views about Jace's scar from childhood and what it means. I would hazard a guess at it just being her, finally realizing that Jace was telling the truth, but the whisper was kind of.. Gah. TELL ME CC, TELL ME.

Another thing I wanted to throw the book at the wall for, was this (from page 417):

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"Do you know why," Valentine said, looking down the length of the sword at her, "your mother left me?"


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The cold at her throat, in her limbs, was so intense that she was beyond shivering. It was as if the Sword was turning her to ice. "She'd never say that," Clary whispered. "Jace isn't a monster. Neither am I."
"I wasn't talking about--"


These things seem so painstakingly obvious to point out straight away that I don't quite believe I haven't seen them discussed here. I'm presuming the talk of 'monsters' is about Valentine's experiments and the way Jace and Clary can do seemingly impossible things that other Shadowhunters can't do. But if he wasn't talking about that, what was he talking about? If he made them the way they are, I wonder how he did it... Surely he can't be /that/ exceptional?

Sorry for my n00bness. I'm really hesitant in posting this. Feel free to delete it.
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PostSubject: Re: hesitant puzzling   Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:33 pm

Yeah that subject is very controversial Personally i think that the scar (on jace and on clary) is the markings of their powers but there are also alot of other really good answers that you might be interested in Ask The Hosts under Jace and Clary's Matching Scars
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PostSubject: Re: hesitant puzzling   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:50 pm

Arigatou!
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PostSubject: Re: hesitant puzzling   Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:28 pm

nander wrote:

Another thing I wanted to throw the book at the wall for, was this (from page 417):

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"Do you know why," Valentine said, looking down the length of the sword at her, "your mother left me?"


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The cold at her throat, in her limbs, was so intense that she was beyond shivering. It was as if the Sword was turning her to ice. "She'd never say that," Clary whispered. "Jace isn't a monster. Neither am I."
"I wasn't talking about--"


These things seem so painstakingly obvious to point out straight away that I don't quite believe I haven't seen them discussed here. I'm presuming the talk of 'monsters' is about Valentine's experiments and the way Jace and Clary can do seemingly impossible things that other Shadowhunters can't do. But if he wasn't talking about that, what was he talking about? If he made them the way they are, I wonder how he did it... Surely he can't be /that/ exceptional?

Sorry for my n00bness. I'm really hesitant in posting this. Feel free to delete it.


I actually kind of thought that he meant he wasn't talking about Jace. See i don't believe that they are related.
In CoB Luke said to Jocelyn that Clary wasn't Jonathan meaning what. Jonathan M. got turned into a monster and so Jocelyn didn't want Valentine to do the same thing to Clary.
And then in CoA when Clary said she wasn't a monster and neither was Jace then Valentine was all like "I wasn't talking about---" I think he was going to say he wasn't talking about Jace. Meaning what? Meaning Jace is NOT Valentine's son? Jace is Jonathan Wayland just like he thought all along?
Throughout the whole book their isn't a single PHYSICAL resemblence between Jace and Valentine. OH sure the personality thing is there. The way Valentine and Jace are arrogant. The way they present themselves. All that stuff they may have in common. But you have to remember Jace lived with Valentine for what. 10 years? So of course he would pick up on some of Valentines personality, its only natural.
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PostSubject: Re: hesitant puzzling   Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:21 pm

^I agree. At the very least, Valentine isn't Jace's biological father, because there aren't any physical references between the two. Which would mean that, at most, Jace and Clary could only be half-siblings through Jocelyn. However, I don't think they're related at all, either, for various reasons. Going back to the physical resemblances, no one noticed any physical simlarities between Jace and Clary until after Valentine announced that they were related, and then it doesn't really mean much - the mind can be easily tricked. If someone tells you something, you're going to probably see what they mean if they can explain themselves, whether or not it's the truth. People only started seeing physical resemblances because they were told that Jace and Clary are related.

Anyway, going back to one of the first things that was posted, there was a quote I was just looking over when reading through the passage between Jace and the Inquisitor in CoA during the final battle. Cassandra makes sure to say that the Inquisitor was "still staring at [Jace], her eyes searching." What was she searching for? Then, a mere paragraph later, she says, "Unless..." And the whole conversation starts. I think she was looking for that scar. She learned something before she came to help Jace that maybe she didn't fully believe, thought was impossible, and then she came and talked to Jace, saw the scar, and realised that it must be true, whatever 'it' was. Although, I guess it doesn't matter now, considering she's dead and she won't be telling us what she figured out (if anything). Although Jace can always tell us what she whispered to him using her final breath, that apparently Jace didn't understand...
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PostSubject: Re: hesitant puzzling   Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:28 pm

I personally think that Jace is related to the Inquisitor, because during the book (sorry, I don't have the book with me for page numbers) near the end we find out what happened to the Inquisitor's son, and we find out that he had a wife who was pregnant.

During the end where Valentine is discussing the "monsters" he created, I think that the experiments he did on his first son when wrong and he really did turn into a monster, and Since he knew that Jocelyn was going to leave him; He made sure to turn Clary into a "monster" before had. So, I think Valentine took Celine's child and raised him to take the place of his first child.

I have about a million other theories, out there but these ones fit best with the topic.

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